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03/14/2012 08:00 AM Senate EDUCATION


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+= SB 197 GRANT PROGRAM FOR SCHOOLS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 197(EDC) Out of Committee
+ HCR 18 COMMERCIAL FISHERIES PROGRAMS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHCR 18(FSH) am Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                SB 197-GRANT PROGRAM FOR SCHOOLS                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:04:15 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR JOE THOMAS announced the consideration of SB 197.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:04:26 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR KEVIN MEYER moved to adopt CS for SB 197, labeled 27-                                                                  
LS1168\D, as the working document.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:04:39 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR THOMAS objected for discussion purposes and asked Mr.                                                                  
Murray to walk through the changes.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:04:51 AM                                                                                                                    
MURRAY  RICHMOND, staff  for Senator  Joe Thomas,  sponsor of  SB
197,  explained that  on  page 3,  line 12,  the  CS changes  the                                                               
multiplier for establishing  the grant from $4,800  to $1,800 and                                                               
the draft  fiscal note was  changed from $15 million  for startup                                                               
costs to $6,000,029 including $92,000  for one full-time position                                                               
with $6,000 for travel. The  grant would be replenished each year                                                               
assuming the  dropout rate would  be either stable  or decreasing                                                               
by around $1.2 million per year.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:07:04 AM                                                                                                                    
MR.  RICHMOND  said the  first  exhibit  indicated that  in  2001                                                               
Alaska ranked 9th  in the nation for graduation  rates (41 states                                                               
were ahead of  us) and moved up  to 10th and back down  to 6th in                                                               
2004; currently  Alaska is  in 12th  place. The  National Dropout                                                               
Prevention  Center self-reported  reasons  for students  dropping                                                               
out (when  they can  be found)  were: 1.  didn't like  school; 2.                                                               
failing school; 3. couldn't get  along with teachers and couldn't                                                               
keep up with  school work were the next;  low attendance, failing                                                               
grades,  repeating grades,  low student  achievement and  lack of                                                               
student engagement were  other major reasons for  dropping out. A                                                               
student often gave more than one  reason, so they don't add up to                                                               
100 percent. Most studies show  behavioral problems in school, as                                                               
well.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:09:03 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHMOND  said the  same exhibit  indicated that  12 percent,                                                               
about  2,000, of  the lowest  performing schools  in urban  areas                                                               
produced  nearly  half  of  the   nation's  dropouts.  Alaska  is                                                               
significantly  different, because  it  doesn't  have large  urban                                                               
areas. He explained  that part of the reason for  the grant is to                                                               
come up with programs that  are specific to the Alaska condition.                                                               
The  last  exhibit  was a  California  dropout  research  project                                                               
highlighting that  dropping out is  a process that  begins fairly                                                               
early for  some students.  Having to  repeat a  grade by  the 9th                                                               
grade is a good indication that a student will drop out.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
There are two  ways to look at the reasons  for dropping out; one                                                               
is  to say  there are  cultural and  social reasons  why students                                                               
drop  out.  Not doing  well  early  in  school and  being  behind                                                               
consistently are  some things that  dropouts all have  in common.                                                               
Socio economic factors are major  predictors of students dropping                                                               
out as well.  How a student does in third  grade is another major                                                               
predictor of whether he will graduate or not.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:11:21 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHMOND  also provided a  matrix of known programs  from the                                                               
Center  for  the Prevention  of  Violence  used mostly  for  high                                                               
school students that found a  connection between student violence                                                               
and dropping  out. The  programs were  ranked by  eight different                                                               
organizations to figure out whether  they are working or not, and                                                               
they had all been proven in  one instance or another to stave off                                                               
the symptoms of dropping out of school.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:12:47 AM                                                                                                                    
KERRY  BOYD,   Superintendent,  Yukon  Koyukuk   School  District                                                               
(YKSD), Fairbanks, stated  support for SB 197  and explained that                                                               
the district  had been  in intervention  status and  removed from                                                               
corrective action  last year.  She said  this bill  would provide                                                               
districts  with  low  performing  schools  a  chance  to  provide                                                               
students  with  additional support  to  help  them develop  their                                                               
skills.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
She  related that  YKSD has  9 schools  with 300  students spread                                                               
over  an  area  the  size  of  the  State  of  Washington;  their                                                               
correspondence  school  has  1,000  students.  Fortunately,  YKSD                                                               
received  a large  federal  grant five  years  ago that  provided                                                               
funding  for  professional   development,  asset  development  of                                                               
students  and  communities  and research-based  strategies.  This                                                               
grant  was  very  difficult  for them  to  receive,  because  the                                                               
federal government looks at sheer  numbers in its assessment, and                                                               
YKSD is  a small  district. It is  the only one  in the  State of                                                               
Alaska to  receive that grant,  which they will not  receive this                                                               
year.  Using  it,  they  were  able  to  increase  their  teacher                                                               
retention rate  for the  last three years,  and they  combined it                                                               
with state  funding to bring at  least two of their  schools from                                                               
level five to making AYP.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BOYD  said  she  supported this  bill,  because  the  people                                                               
issuing  federal  grants  don't  understand  Alaska's  geographic                                                               
isolation and are more likely  to fund the large urban districts.                                                               
SB  197  provides  the  opportunity  to  write  grants  with  the                                                               
necessary  components  including  the  research-based  practices,                                                               
sustainability and  the necessary accountability  specifically to                                                               
meet  local  needs.  She  said  they would  use  this  grant  for                                                               
extended school days and summer  programs as they used the school                                                               
improvement funds, which have helped  a couple of schools go from                                                               
level 5  to making AYP  consistently. However, once you  make AYK                                                               
the state removes those funds; so  the grant in SB 197 would help                                                               
continue that funding.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:17:09 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS said he assumed that  a grant like this would try                                                               
to improve  the dropout number and  asked if she agreed  with the                                                               
dropout assessment.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. BOYD  answered that in  her district students who  are behind                                                               
in the 10th grade  feel at a loss, so they tend  to drop out. Her                                                               
district  is so  small  that they  call each  student  to try  to                                                               
encourage them  to get back in  and she heard all  of the reasons                                                               
mentioned.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:18:33 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  asked how the  federal government  evaluates the                                                               
progress that has been achieved through use of their grants.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BOYD  answered that federal representatives  do onsite visits                                                               
to  observe the  actual implementation  of the  grants, but  they                                                               
really don't  understand Alaska's  isolation. In wrapping  up the                                                               
current grant, for example, they wanted  to see four sites in the                                                               
period of  a day and a  half. They didn't realize  it takes three                                                               
hours to  fly to just  one. They also require  ongoing reporting.                                                               
Districts  have submit fiscal  reports, narratives, school report                                                               
cards,  surveys  from families  and  teachers  - all  focused  on                                                               
accountability for  what you  say you are  doing with  such large                                                               
amounts of money.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:20:01 AM                                                                                                                    
NORMAN  ECK,  Superintendent,  Northwest  Arctic  Borough  School                                                               
District, Kotzebue,  supported SB 197. He  thought Mr. Richmond's                                                               
data and  Ms. Boyd's testimony  were both excellent. He  said the                                                               
Northwest Arctic Borough  has 1,950 students in 12  schools in 11                                                               
villages. None  of the villages  are accessible by roads  and all                                                               
supplies are  flown in. He had  been employed in the  borough for                                                               
14 years;  one year as a  director, 6.5 years as  a principle and                                                               
he now is in his 7th  years as superintendent. Three years ago he                                                               
was Alaska Superintendent of the Year.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. ECK said one of the most  worrisome issues he deals with as a                                                               
superintendent  is   student  dropouts.  He  worries   about  the                                                               
students who he  knows might become a dropout.  For some students                                                               
school work  is too  hard; all  too often  these students  have a                                                               
sense of  futility about school  and decide to leave.  Some leave                                                               
because they  come from dysfunctional  homes and have  no support                                                               
network. Some leave  school to care for a baby  they may have had                                                               
or they have  to care for very young siblings.  However, the most                                                               
common reason is  that the student does not see  the relevance of                                                               
the school  work to their  life. If  there is no  disability, the                                                               
reason  the school  work is  too  hard is  because the  student's                                                               
reading ability is way below the grade they are in.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:22:23 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. ECK  said as caring,  conscientious educators, they  must use                                                               
every  tool available  to help  them. Potential  dropout students                                                               
need hope  that they can earn  the credits they need  to pass the                                                               
high  school graduation  qualifying exam.  SB 197  can become  an                                                               
important avenue  of hope for  students. The ability to  read and                                                               
read  close to  grade level  is the  single most  important thing                                                               
students need for success in school.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  that  in  order  to  graduate  from  high  school,                                                               
students  must navigate  reading materials  that are  at the  9th                                                               
through 12th  grade levels. The  HSG2E is  written at the  8th to                                                               
9th grade level.  The 9th grade standards  based assessment (SBA)                                                               
is written at the 9th grade level  and the 10th SBA is written at                                                               
the 10th  grade level. The average  adult reads at about  the 8th                                                               
to  10th  grade level.  Most  text  books  for high  schools  are                                                               
written at  that grade  level, but  the specific  subject content                                                               
vocabulary, especially in the sciences,  pushes the reading level                                                               
up three to four more grade levels.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. ECK  said with SB  197 in place,  he would apply  for funding                                                               
for  a   high  school   dropout  prevention   reading  specialist                                                               
position. He would  use his high school SBA  reading test results                                                               
to  determine who  the 40  lowest performing  students are.  This                                                               
teacher  would work  with these  students' classroom  teachers on                                                               
reading  improvement  strategies,  do   pull  out  sessions  with                                                               
students in small groups and  one-on-one tutoring. They would fly                                                               
students  from   villages  to  Kotzebue  for   intensive  reading                                                               
seminars to bring up their reading abilities.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He said they  know that intervention is more  effectively done at                                                               
the  younger  grades, and  in  the  case  of these  higher  grade                                                               
levels, given  the fact that these  students have made it  to the                                                               
9th grade or  above shows that they have the  determination to be                                                               
in school,  certain remediation techniques  can be  employed that                                                               
can help them to raise their  reading levels by one, two or three                                                               
grade levels  over a  period of  months and a  year or  two. That                                                               
could be  the difference between  a student staying in  school or                                                               
dropping  out. It  could be  the difference  between passing  the                                                               
HSG2E or failing  it and not graduating with a  diploma. He added                                                               
that reading is key to success  on the map component of the HSG2E                                                               
as well as on the writing.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:24:25 AM                                                                                                                    
He summarized that  his district would write a grant  for a total                                                               
of  $170,000; it  would cover  an  experienced teacher's  salary,                                                               
benefits and  travel to  villages and for  students to  travel to                                                               
Kotzebue for  intensive seminars  two to three  times a  year. He                                                               
said he hoped that SB 197  becomes law so his students could have                                                               
this  important  additional  support   for  student  success  and                                                               
excellence.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:25:37 AM                                                                                                                    
TRACEY MARTIN,  Teacher, Meadow Lakes Elementary,  Mat-Su Borough                                                               
School District,  Wasilla, said  she supported  SB 197.  She said                                                               
her students have benefited directly  from the reading specialist                                                               
funded by these  grant monies and her own further  training to be                                                               
a better interventionist.  They are able to  have smaller groups,                                                               
which  helps  them  use  more  targeted  interventions  for  more                                                               
success.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARTIN  said they can  tell as early  as the 2nd  grade which                                                               
students are going  to be in danger of dropping  out later on; it                                                               
has  a direct  correlation to  their ability  to read  along with                                                               
their attendance.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:27:06 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS   closed  public   testimony  and   removed  his                                                               
objection.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:27:48 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MEYER  asked if  Alaska ranked the  12th lowest  or 12th                                                               
highest in dropout rate.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:28:22 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. RICHMOND  answered that  means there are  48 states  that are                                                               
doing  better than  Alaska;  but the  good news  is  that we  are                                                               
moving  up. Other  states are  moving up  as well  and instilling                                                               
these types of  programs. It's easy for some  districts that have                                                               
more problems to get those federal grants.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:29:19 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS  said Alaska had gone  from being 6th in  2004 to                                                               
10th in  2008 and  e asked  how the  Department of  Education and                                                               
Early  Development  knows  that   any  progress  took  place.  He                                                               
recalled putting  substantial amounts of money  into education in                                                               
2004.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHMOND  responded since  2004 the  way to  measure dropouts                                                               
across the nation  was standardized. Before that, it  was kind of                                                               
haphazard. For instance,  Georgia was at the top of  the list for                                                               
graduation  rates, but  it was  discovered they  were taking  the                                                               
number of  their high  school seniors, not  the 9th  grade cohort                                                               
and checking along  those lines. Once they had to  count all four                                                               
cohorts,  their dropout  rate went  significantly higher.  A long                                                               
term BSA  (base student assessment)  was established  around that                                                               
time  as districts  had the  ability to  do better  budgeting and                                                               
accounting.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:30:53 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS said  at some point it would be  nice to take the                                                               
bigger  view  and  ask  the  department  to  explain  why  Alaska                                                               
improved  between 2004  and 2008  and  how it  can continue  that                                                               
improvement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:31:21 AM                                                                                                                    
LES  MORSE,  Deputy  Commissioner, Department  of  Education  and                                                               
Early  Development  (DEED),  Juneau, Alaska,  commented  that  he                                                               
could point  to a  few things,  but couldn't  definitively answer                                                               
the  "whys."  He  said  the  dropout  rate  hasn't  significantly                                                               
changed,  but the  calculation for  the graduation  rate had.  In                                                               
2002  they began  collecting dropout  data by  individual student                                                               
using the state individual ID  system. This allowed them to track                                                               
actual  students  who  dropped   out  and  find  who  re-enrolled                                                               
somewhere else in the state,  a transfer. That might have cleaned                                                               
up a very small percent.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The other  thing that has  happened since 2004 is  that standards                                                               
by  grade  level  were  put in  place.  This  assessment  program                                                               
provides  better  data  and  that   may  have  helped  illuminate                                                               
students' academic deficiencies, because  the testing program was                                                               
more  specific  to what  was  supposed  to  be learned  at  grade                                                               
levels.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:33:25 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEVENS recalled  a big  infusion of  funds in  the 2004                                                               
timeframe and he thought the results  were tied to that, and said                                                               
it would be nice to have some data collection on that.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:33:49 AM                                                                                                                    
MR. MORSE  said he thought  the three-year  plan was laid  out in                                                               
2006. Then over the last  couple of years, the federal government                                                               
put  a  significant  amount  of   money  into  education  through                                                               
different stimulus packages.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  THOMAS  asked  if  their   tracking  program  is  being                                                               
expanded to gather better statistics  on things that are actually                                                               
having an impact.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORSE answered they do  have very good tracking of individual                                                               
students  in  terms of  academic  achievement,  so they  look  at                                                               
schools  that have  more and  less gains  than other  schools and                                                               
provide that  information to districts. The  only data collection                                                               
is  done  for the  money  received  through the  Quality  Schools                                                               
funding, which  is in the same  chapter. They collect what  it is                                                               
they are  using those dollars for.  Nothing has been done  to tie                                                               
those two data  sets together, but it could be  done without much                                                               
difficulty.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:36:11 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MEYER moved to report CS  for SB 197, version \D, to the                                                               
next committee  of referral  with individual  recommendations and                                                               
forthcoming fiscal note.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  announced that without objection,  CSSB 197(EDC)                                                               
moved from Senate Education Standing Committee.                                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB0197A.PDF SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 197
CS SB 197.pdf SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 197
SB 197 Sponsor Statement.pdf SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 197
SB197-EED-TLS-2-29-12.pdf SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 197
Taking Stock.pdf SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 197
HCR018A.PDF SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM
HCR 18
HCR018B.PDF SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM
HCR 18
HCR018C.PDF SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM
HCR 18
HCR018-1-2-021512-FSH-N.PDF SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM
HCR 18
CSSB 197.pdf SEDC 3/14/2012 8:00:00 AM
SB 197